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|Interview with Hong Kong Dockworkers Leader
by Stephen Philion
As Wong suggests in the interview, the Hong Kong International Terminal (HIT) dockworkers' strike was followed closely and supported by labor activists and sympathizers in mainland China. The strike thus has potentially powerful implications for a global labor movement much in need of a sign that resistance to global capital remains not only relevant but possible.
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Q: To start with, what are the key issues that have brought about the Hong Kong International Terminal dockworkers' strike?
Wong Yu Loy: Wages and workplace conditions. From 1995 to 2011 wages for stevedores had been constantly cut to the point where the wages were less than in 1995. In 2011 the union finally succeeded in securing a HK$200/day (US$26) wage increase, which still meant daily wages were HK$150 less per 24-hour shift than in 1995. As for crane drivers, they are paid much less if they are hired by subcontractors than by HIT directly.
This current conflict started brewing around March of last year. We attempted collective bargaining, sending a letter to all the terminals demanding a salary adjustment for workers across the industry, but this was met with rejection. We were basically ignored by the dock owner (Hong Kong International Terminals), a unit of multibillionaire and Asia's wealthiest person Li Ka-shing' s Hutchison Port Holdings Trust.
Subcontractors used various measures to repress the union, most notably insisting on direct negotiations with individual groups of workers. But from the outset dockworkers had insisted that negotiations be conducted with union representatives. These negotiations met with no success. Now, for the 10 years prior to 2011 there had been no wage adjustments, and it's in the last year that the conflict reached a boiling point. Workers had waited a long time for changes and were frustrated with attempts by subcontractors' strategy of negotiating with groups of 100, 200 workers. How do you conduct such negotiations?
Q: But isn't the union the representative of the workers?
Wong: Sure, but the subcontractors wouldn't acknowledge this. Instead, they just regard workers as their hired help and repress the union where possible.
Q: How many dockworkers does HKCTU represent?
Wong: About 700 altogether who are our members. HIT employs about 3,000 and total dockworkers comes to about 5,000.
Q: And other unions represent them?
Wong: Yes, the Hong Kong Federation of Trade Unions, which historically is close to the Chinese government. Now, of course, they've been around much longer than us (HKCTU was only established in 2006). However, many of its leaders have become "small bosses," i.e., subcontractors. There is a subcontractor who is an FTU dockworkers union executive council member. So their approach is often to put forth what seem to be very appealing demands, but the results are always far less. So the mass of workers don't have much faith in FTU.
Our union is only seven years old, organizationally growing step by step.
Q: Are there members of HKCTU that have left HKFTU?
Wong: Yes. A fair number of our members have worked on the docks for 10 to 20 years, or even longer. Mind you, at that time, HKFTU was the only union they could join. Some workers began to lose faith in FTU, not believing they represented dockworkers' interests.
Q: What is the difference between how HKCTU and HKFTU approach organizing?
Wong: I think the biggest difference is that we organize from bottom up. As many of their cadres have been promoted to management level, they have considerable power to get dockworkers to join the FTU. A worker might feel they have little choice in the matter. But such union cadre can't really represent the interests of dockworkers. Our union works from below persuading worker by worker to join and get organized, with the effect of enabling rank-and-file workers to make their voices heard.
Q: Have dockworkers who are not in the HKCTU shown support for this strike?
Wong: Yes, there have been examples of that in the form of dockworkers working to rule (slowdowns), and refusing overtime, having an impact on dock productivity. From what we've heard, roughly 80 percent of crane drivers are carrying out such actions, in all perhaps 500.
Q: Is the fact that perhaps only about a fifth of the dockworker workforce is on strike a challenge or barrier to this strike's success?
Wong: The members involved in this strike occupy key skilled positions on the docks, as crane drivers or stevedores. This kind of skilled worker is hard to replace. Of those still working are truck drivers, who are all subcontracted out. You can imagine how easy it is to divide and conquer them. Interestingly, in 1990s this was the most advanced group of workers in terms of organizational power. HIT took note of this significance and broke them up via subcontracting.
Q: Yet there remain crane drivers at HIT working who are not members of HKCTU and not engaging in work to rule, right?
Wong: Yes, but keep in mind it's not a sustainable situation since they have to work overtime, in some instances up to 48 and even 72 hours straight. The pressure on them is great!
Q: Work hours is also an issue in this strike, right? Which is tied to workplace injuries?
Q: How do you explain that these issues have become so serious over the past decade? Main factors?
Wong: For one, the unemployment rate in Hong Kong has been pretty low, hovering around 3.1 percent, combined with a very high rate of inflation. Dockworkers look around and compare their situation with other workers in Hong Kong and in other countries. For example, in construction, bar benders, whose level of work intensity is roughly equivalent to dockworkers and who also are members of one of the more strongly organized HKCTU unions, recently reached a collectively bargained agreement that won them 50 percent pay increases that in three years will give them HK$1,800 (US$230) per day. That's for workers who work only eight hours a day, with one hour for meal breaks and an additional half hour regular break. That is, they are only working 6.5 hours! So the dockers compare, "How come I work for 24 hours straight?"
Q: I have not worked on docks before -- how do they last for 24 hours straight?
Wong: Well, they don't work straight through, there are periods where they are not working for 5, 10 minutes. But during peak season, I've heard of extreme cases of workers working for one straight week. And they are working for 24 hours straight for HK$1,300 (US$169). It's terrible. This of course makes them unhappy, thinking, what was the point of exhausting myself so and getting so little in return?
Q: Is this kind of work-hours arrangement common in other countries?
Wong: No, I've seen the collectively bargained agreement of the ILWU [the West Coast Longshore union in the U.S.]. They work three shifts and have overtime pay. Medical care, pension, and children's educational benefits are included. But in Hong Kong, we don't see any of these.
Q: These workers are hired through subcontractors, right?
Wong: Yes, crane operators' jobs in the 1990s were subcontracted out. Stevedores have been subcontracted out for even longer. The terminal owner (HIT) claims that they are not the direct employers of these workers, instead the ship owners are. The terminal operators hire dockworkers through the contract agent to work for the ship owners! For the stevedore workers, there are two main hiring subcontractors and three for the crane operators.
Q: Originally, were there more subcontractors? What about the role of subcontracting as a factor in pushing down dockworkers' wages? We see competition between subcontractors as having this race-to-the-bottom effect in many industrial sectors in the U.S. and throughout the world.
Wong: Oh, this is one of the more amazing features of this industry. Why do I say so? In Hong Kong, though these subcontractors have a contract with the terminal operator, actually the terminal operators control the whole hiring system. The biggest difference of daily pay among subcontractors is all of HK$10-20 (US$1.30-$2.60), very minimal. Something funny is going on here -- why is the difference so small? Isn't there some preexisting agreement reached behind closed doors?
Q: So the purpose is not so much to push down wages as to enable the terminal operator to avoid responsibility for the low wages and work conditions?
Wong: Exactly. We researched the background of these "subcontractors" and it turns out they are nearly all registered shareholders in British Isles offshore tax havens. We suspect that they are controlled by the terminal operators who have worked out kickback arrangements with these contractors.
Q: How is globalization a factor in this strike's occurrence?
Wong: Oh, I think it's a big one. Globalization intensifies the degree that workers from different parts of the world need to compete with each other in a race to the bottom. Just a few decades ago Hong Kong was an important manufacturing center. As China underwent market-based restructuring, Hong Kong's textile and electronics companies all relocated to China because workers there are cheaper. Now even Mainland China faces such problems, as manufacturers move to Cambodia, Burma, and Laos.
You know, dockworkers are a vital cog in the corporate supply chain. Any knots that emerge in that chain block movement to the next link. If the dockworkers were all to go on strike, this would cause many factories in China's Pearl River Delta region to experience stoppages. If the containers can't move, their commodities have nowhere to go. Major shippers might need to skip Hong Kong, going to Taiwan or Singapore instead. The effects will be felt around the globe. It is a very real form of resistance to globalization.
Cross-national solidarity during this strike is very important, therefore. For example, the Maritime Union of Australia has sent representatives here to express support. The ILWU has raised funds for the strikers and might also send a representative to the strike line. Even though they are not themselves on strike, their donations are greatly appreciated. These donations let Hong Kong's dockworkers know they are not alone. We are brothers and sisters across the globe. This leaves a big impression on Hong Kong's working class.
Q: What do you see as the significance of this strike for Hong Kong's working class?
Wong: I think Hong Kong's workers are very happy to see this group of some 500 ordinary workers coming together in solidarity as a formidable force able to stand up to the wealthiest man in Hong Kong and eighth richest man in the world. This is very encouraging to Hong Kong's working class. Of course, we don't have a tradition of socialism or social democracy in Hong Kong.
Q: So seeing so many ordinary Hong Kong citizens donating so much to the strike fund is really quite remarkable.
Wong: Yes it is. I believe that Hong Kong's people see Li Ka-shin as up to too many nasty tricks. He's got hands in everything, retail, shipping, manufacturing . . . so many businesses. Many are just worn down by his accumulation of power via monopolistic ownership. Concretely, we can see this from the strike fundraising results, which to date have approached US$1 million. We've never seen a strike receive so much in the way of financial donations from the general public.
Q: So how much was your strike fund before the strike started?
Wong: Wow, this is shameful! You know, union dues are very cheap, all of HK$10 per month. Almost nothing! Before the strike we had barely HK$30,000 (US$3,900), an evening meal for Li Ka-shin!
Q: So then the support from the general public in Hong Kong has been very critical.
Wong: Hugely important. I think their support is absolute crucial in enabling us to sustain the victory and achieving a victory. I hope that we don't let them down.
Q: Your success would mean what to Hong Kong's workers?
Wong: It would mean a great deal in terms of collective memory. Every donor will have a memory that they donated to the strike fund and a victory, and this would contribute to the gradual development of a new collective consciousness in Hong Kong.
Q: Likewise what is the significance of this strike for China's working class?
Wong: Wow, it's massive. And why? On the second day of the strike, I asked a friend who was more familiar with China's internet discussions if there was much information about our strike. He responded that the strike has already become a "hot topic" in internet chat rooms. Mainlander students and visitors have come to our strike line and donated to our strike fund.
Q: Has the strike received any media coverage in China?
Wong: Actually, Xinhuanet, China's official media station, reported on it and it was pretty fair in its coverage. I've been pleasantly surprised by the level of support from within China. It's partly a reflection of the hopes that Chinese labor supporters or activists have for our strike. They're paying attention to the developments in the strike. They've sent several thousand $HK to our strike. They might not have a great amount of money, but it's a way of expressing their belief in us.
A Chinese labor activist has also written up an analysis of the significance of the strike for Chinese workers. It's quite well written, from a class struggle perspective. He argues that the Chinese working class movement also needs to develop similar types of strikes through an organizing process in lieu of the present trend of spontaneous short-lived strikes that don't develop organizational power.
I also know that we have friends in Taiwan who have sent donations, along with Korea and Japan. In fact, the All Japan Dockworkers Union was the first to publicly show support for our strike with a public letter of solidarity. The ILWU has also sent a donation to the strike fund. Around the world Hutchison is known as a major terminal operator, so dockworkers internationally understand the significance of this strike.
Q: What is the likelihood of a success for this strike?
Wong: Well, to begin, in any negotiations, you know you're not going to get everything you originally demanded. At this time (April 26) I can't say with any certainty what the final result of the strike will be in terms of who will gain the most. But at the very least, the strike will show to the world that Hong Kong's dockworkers have the ability to carry out a strike and are able to secure from the terminal operators fairer wages and work conditions.
Q: One of the subcontractors that is an employer of the striking workers has announced it is closing up shop. Will that affect the strikers' ability to retrieve their jobs?
Wong: It shouldn't. I am confident that the other subcontractors will look to hire them since in this industry there is a shortage of labor. It's very hard labor and not many people are willing to do it. So I'm not worried about getting their jobs back.
Q: So far the negotiations have broken down several times. Do you anticipate that HIT and the subcontractors will finally negotiate seriously with you?
Wong: I think that they will get to a point where they have no choice but to seriously negotiate. As ports remain unable to get back to normal due to lack of enough skilled dockworkers, the need for more serious negotiations will be apparent.
Q: Do you anticipate the strike lasting through to (winter, pre-Christmas) peak season?
Wong: I think the striking dockworkers would like to settle this issue as soon as possible. It's my own hope that after May 1, we could resume work. The terminal operators will also want to get this over with and get back to normal operations.
Q: For this strike you've chosen the non-peak season. Why not the peak season?
Wong: Hong Kong's workers are very disciplined. They want to show the terminal operators that they are sincere and have integrity. And if the strike went for too long, that's not something that would benefit us. But I also believe that after this strike we will reconsider our tactics and look at pursuing strikes in the future during peak season, as that would result in a greater likelihood that the terminal operators would respond to and meet our demands more quickly.
We would have the support of the public too. We can say that we already tried a softer approach to the strike by choosing the non-peak season and that wasn't effective. We can gradually win over a Hong Kong public, which is not accustomed to accept future strikes, to a strike during peak season.
Q: What about the reaction of the Hong Kong government?
Wong: Really, it's a handicapped government, impotent. They can't do anything about Li Ka-shin. Only deep into the process did the Labor Bureau Secretary finally call for mediation, but that went nowhere. Of course he's the richest man in Hong Kong and the government doesn't have a mandate. It puts the government in a weak position. It has no popularly elected leaders.
I'm not saying U.S. elections are the ideal; they are contests between different wings of capital. But even the bare minimum of free elections in Hong Kong we don't enjoy. The executive is chosen by 1,200 representatives. As a result, it's a government with no real power to confine or restrict the power of capital. So I always say Hong Kong is a capitalist heaven!
Q: HIT has been placing quite expensive ads in many of Hong Kong's newspapers attacking the union for this strike. How do you respond to those quite public broadsides?
Wong: Yes, it's quite something. On the one hand we are not having any effect, according to HIT, but they are spending a fortune to buy up full-page ads in Hong Kong's newspapers to smear us for "class struggle" (!). And it's a real shame they're willing to spend all this money on ads, but won't put out for a fair wage increase. This is really ridiculous.
We respond with facts about the wage system, the fact that we are just seeking a reasonable pay, showing how our wages lag behind where they were in 1995. They say our demands will hurt the Hong Kong economy. We say the real economic predators in Hong Kong are the real estate speculators constantly causing the price of housing to increase. They claim that working 24 straight hours is something we volunteer to do. We ask whether HIT management is willing to work for 24 hours straight. In fact workers don't have that freedom to reject such work hours.
Q: Actually, it's understandable why they're willing to put out money for ads instead of a fair wage settlement. If their strategy is long-term-oriented, it is to prevent future strikes and organization from below via breaking this dockworkers union.
Wong: Well, true, but Hong Kong's citizenry feels the impact at the everyday level of corporate control and exploitation. So, the more ads they place in the newspapers, the more we respond with the truth and the public sees that we're in the right.
Q: What means do you have to rebut them since you don't have the resources of this global corporate giant?
Wong: We only bought a one-day ad in two newspapers, whereas they placed their ads in every newspaper for three separate days. But I think that the mass media in Hong Kong, with the exception of a handful who have sided with HIT, have shown their sympathy for us. That is a reflection of just how serious the level of inequality that exists in Hong Kong's society is. In most countries, usually the mass media is pro-corporation. So this is a pretty exceptional situation.
Stephen Philion is Associate Professor of Sociology at St. Cloud State University in Minnesota. He conducted this interview with the dockworkers union Secretary Wong Yu Loy last week in Hong Kong. Philion also translated. This interview was first published in Labor Notes (7 May 2013). Cf. "A 40-day strike of more than 500 dockworkers at the Port of Hong Kong ended yesterday with a settlement that included a 9.8 percent wage increase, non-retaliation against strikers, and a written agreement, all of which had been fiercely resisted by the four contractors targeted in the strike. Strikers accepted the offer by a 90 percent vote" (Ellen David Friedman, "Hong Kong Dockers Claim Victory" Labor Notes, 7 May 2013).